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November 30, 2011 | 4:20 PM |
esuteam9
(Student, Raiders of the Lost Bark - ESU_F11_C09 · 3)
What method was used to measure the amount of curvature of the celery? Also how much difference was seen based on the vascular bundles being present, partially removed or fully removed? |
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November 21, 2011 | 11:39 AM |
david69
(Team Member)
Thanks The group wanted to thank everyone who commented and especially our mentor for their imput. We liked the term "untethered curve", we struggled a bit with terminology. Thanks again Dr. Ong Happy Thanksgiving everyone |
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November 20, 2011 | 5:37 PM |
dmichae4
(Student, Raiders of the Lost Bark - ESU_F11_C09 · 3)
It looks like you had a very thought out and intuitive experiment design. How much did the celery change in weight and curvature from the first 24 hours to the second? Does the "curving" occur early in the process of take a little time to get underway? |
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November 18, 2011 | 3:26 PM |
Kevin Ong
(Scientist/Mentor)
Some things for your to consider. First - sorry for the lack of response from me as there apparently was a mix up in my email with not getting the updates. A few observations with the set up you have: 1. Very commendable experiment testing 2 different variables. This would count to a different statistical method if larger number of samples were to be used. 2. It was interesting that the wither salt solution resulted in no curvatures -did the loss of rigidity contribute to the "floppiness" factor that may cause untethered curve? 3. Might consider graphing the data: 2 graphs - Weight x day AND curvature x treatment. Excellent writeup and surmisation of the data obtained from this experiment. |
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November 18, 2011 | 12:22 PM |
david69
(Team Member)
replies We decided that since this was more of a pilot study, that cuts made "by eye" would be effective. We were careful to remove as little material as possible. There is a table of data for the cuts and solutions, I am not sure what you mean by " the 1M solutino had the most effect on tissue structure". Our conclusion was that tissue structure wasn't significantly changed, but that hydrostatic pressure was responsible. (see conclusions) The labeling of the pictures could have been misleading. Measurements at shorter time intervals are something we would do if attempting this experiment again. (see conclusions) Our observations didn't show the celery curving and then straightening back out. Are you comparing different solutions or different time intervals? |
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November 18, 2011 | 9:42 AM |
brittany8
(Student, Team FancyPants - ESU_F11_C02 · 3)
How did you completely and accurately remove vascular bundels from the celery? |
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November 18, 2011 | 9:07 AM |
kansas09
(Student, Team PhotosynTHIS! - ESU_F11_C01 · 3)
I think the different cuts in the celery is interesting. I think the cut that appears to be straight down the middle longitudinal seems to have the most curvature in every trial, no matter what the solution concentration was. The 1 M solution had the most affect on the tissue structure, do you think this was fast reacting that the celery's tissues were deteriating before large amounts of absorbtion could be done? How much weight change did the 1M celery have? |
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November 18, 2011 | 9:01 AM |
joefromesu
(Student, Team PhotosynTHIS! - ESU_F11_C01 · 3)
Length of time it would have been interesting to see a chart of some sort plotting change in curvature over time. |
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November 18, 2011 | 8:51 AM |
ohmrsshady
(Student, Team PhotosynTHIS! - ESU_F11_C01 · 3)
I wonder what could have caused the celery to curve and then straighten back out again? |
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November 1, 2011 | 2:33 PM |
Dr. S
(Scientist/Mentor)
OK, you have several possible lines of attack in your brainstorming - - pick one and design an experiment to test it. |
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October 14, 2011 | 3:31 PM |
david69
(Team Member)
curving celery I think the problem would be to remove the lignin. If the cellulose were intact, maybe it would stay crisp? removing the lignin would allow the eells to expand and hopefully curve the stalk. There is a good article about turning sawdust into biofuel where they discuss breaking down the lignin with dioxane. We wouldn't have to be concerned about conserving the hydrocarbons, so the procedure would be much less complicated. |
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